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David Lentz
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Amazon, Apple, Google: Buying on the Way Down
But determining approximately WHEN a bottom is at hand is A Very Risky Business.
Consider that IF this is truly the collapse of a global credit bubble, and not merely a housing bubble, that the bubble may still be inflating and has not yet exploded. Numbers of the amount Total Credit (government+corporate+... seem to show that it is still expanding, despite the gratuitous implosion of a lot of toxic debt and shrinkage of portions of the debt markets. Apparently, Ben Bernanke and other central bankers, intent on inflating our way out of deflation, have been creating credit at a sufficient rate to create a net expansion of the credit bubble. A pity that most of the credit they have created is being hoarded by those who got the bail-outs.
Imagine if, just as the housing industry is approaching a bottom -- say, sometime in the summer of 2009 as various mortgage restructuring programs build up a head of steam -- and housing prices are within 10% of having bottomed, suppose that the credit bubble finally pops. The most likely sign of that at this point would be a cascading series of sovereign defaults, with the USofA somewhere along the chain.
What do you think AAPL, GOOG and AMZN will be trading for at THAT point? And how long will poor Fred have to hang onto his purchases until they are breaking even? The only way Fred's scheme works is if we have a V-shaped recession, and if we are somewhere close to the inflection point. We could easily have neither of those things be true.
Granted, this is a worst-case scenario. But a better way to attempt value-based investing is by following the tenets of Ben Graham, the way Warren Buffett has tried to do so over the years. That methodology is a MUCH better way to pick entry points for purchases during troubled times.
When the Going Gets Tough, the Tough Play Defense
I've seen some disturbing stuff that indicates the debt-to-GDP ratio was still rising as late as August. Now possibly, this is due to the GDP imploding faster than the debt, but the numbers seem to indicate that the Fed+Treasury are pumping out new credit at a sufficient rate so as to keep the totals rising in absolute terms.
I'm wondering if you have seen anything similar (or anything that contradicts this, which just seems insane to me), and if so, what you make of it?
More Uncertainty? Try Ultra ETFs
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Risks Remain, But iPhone's Fundamentals Should Help Apple Surpass Expectations - RBC Analyst
That said, the traffic at this particular Apple Store on that particular day was the lowest I have ever seen, with about 2/3 to 3/4 of the floor space being unoccupied (as opposed to the 10%-20% that is the norm). Not many were exiting the store with purchases. I plan to check again on Black Friday.
My guess is that Apple will see a modest (25%, maybe 35% worst-case) drop off in sales volume on a year-over-year basis in the next two quarters. That will move it even farther away from the rest of the consumer electronics field, as nearly all of the rest are going to be struggling to turn a profit. And I suspect that Apple's emphasis on the consumer, rather than the corporate markets, is going to serve them well, as I doubt that ANY corporations are going to be refreshing their PCs for a couple of years. Consumers will do the irrational thing and blow their last paycheck (literally) on iPhones. HPQ is gonna get hurt, big-time. And Dell just might be extinguished.
General Electric Moves On Down the Largest Company List
If one looks at these in terms of industry groups (financials, manufacturing, consumer staples, etc), there is a clear rotation. Again, this isn;t exactly news either, but it's a nice way to quantify the sector rotation.
Will Apple's Q1 2009 Revenue Estimates Be a Blowout?
Maybe robust iPhone sales can propel the comply to exceed analysts expectations.
Prolly a Good Idea to hang around a local Apple Store over Thanksgiving weekend and see how many people are exiting the store with new purchases.
Rampant enthusiasm for stocks -- any stock -- tends to tell me that we have a long way lower to fall.
Full disclosure -- I may be buying a couple of new Macs in January, depending on what they announce at MacExpo and what the pricing is like.
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When you figure out how Apple can make 30% margins on a $99 iPhone, then you will see it happen -- but chances are, Apple will figure out how to do that before you do.
I know that they will NOT get there by stripping out functionality.
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Gold Has Significantly Outperformed: Can This Continue Indefinitely?
Gold is of zero value as a hedge against deflation.
How Low Will Apple Go?
Don't count on the Christmas quarter being anything at all like the preceding 3 quarters, and the one after that will be worse still. I like AAPL, but there's no point in foolish expectations. I'll buy in when I see consumers returning to the stores.
Also, the lowball earnings guidance should set new lows -- it will be interesting to see how Oppenheimer pitches the guidance next week.
Deflation Changes the Rules
how could Google buy AT&T and still keep its corporate motto?
Awaiting Apple Earnings and Guidance
Awaiting Apple Earnings and Guidance
If the stock were to fall to the $60 regime, there is the potential of taking the company private via a debt-leveraged stock buyback scheme or (because debt is pretty hard to come by in this economy) via a consortium of well-heeled investors + the (in a quarter or two) $30+B in cash within the company. I can see Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, and other Silicon Valley billionaires kicking in enough to do this.
Apple is a tremendous generator of profits, and would be an outstanding thing to have as one's private company in an uncertain world. Seems like billionaires, watching their equity holdings shrivel and wither, might want to take cheap, profitable companies private. Maybe even Warren Buffett might overcome his aversion to tech companies if the price was right.
If the economy ever improves, they can always sell them back to the public at huge profits in a future IPO.
Awaiting Apple Earnings and Guidance