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After a virtual drubbing over the past couple of weeks, the satellite radio stocks of Sirius (SIRI) and XM (XMSR) saw a boost Friday that gave investors a bit of a break, and perhaps even set the tone for a good weekend.

The natural question at this point is, why did this sharp upturn happen? As with anything there can be many answers and theories. Theories from FCC votes being leaked, to shorts covering for the weekend, to market manipulation are all ideas that people seem to love to discuss.

Personally, I look at the upturn in both Sirius and XM and see something interesting. Sirius was up more than XM. Thus, the arbitrage spread actually got larger in the last couple of hours of the day. This activity could give legs to the theory that shorts are covering. One popular arb play if you felt the merger would pass was to go long XM and short SIRI.

I also consider the fact that the Draft Order has been issued, and that there is speculation that we could begin to know commissioner stances by mid next week.

Combine these two theories, and it is possible that we are onto something. How much upside this can deliver is yet to be seen, but Monday will be a day that investors in the sector may want to pay attention.

Even with a nice jump late Friday afternoon, neither equity reached levels of the trading channel that existed for most of the merger process. Thus, satellite radio is still in a bit of “no-mans land” - below the trading channel and above the $1.75 price target of Wienkes. If the equities hold their ground, we may not see a new report from the Goldman Sachs analyst, which was something I was looking for to help establish a bottom. Without an established bottom, there is still some trepidation out there that investors may want to consider.

Over the next few days, some information will become available that may also impact SDARS. OEMs will be reporting June sales early next week. One factor that has satellite watchers nervous has been the continued downtrend in vehicle sales. If a bad trend continues, satellite investors will want to be on top of the news as it begins to come out. Not only will the June sales represent a month, but Q2 as well. With 6 months now gone, this would be the time that analysts would be sharpening their pencils and going through their assumptions. Some analysts have already projected that the retail channel for Sirius will be better than previously assumed. Solid news on the OEM channel will be a focus now as well.

Sector watchers should follow FCC activity, the OEM numbers, the arb spread, as well as the trading volume. Things could be ready for a change, and now is not the time to take your eye off of the ball no matter what your investment strategy.

Position - Long Sirius, Long XM

Tyler Savery

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    Jun 29 09:00 AM
    These stocks are dead money.....
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    Jun 29 09:43 AM
    I hear n See on CNBC- drill drill drill for oil ,but not one word about the new Hydrogen Fueling Shell station in LA-and GM s new Chevy Equinox ??? I'm alittle concerned by the total lack of coverage for HYGS and QTWW. They talk about how long it takes to bring oil to the pump(I know how long I'm in the OIL n Gas Business) Yet CNBC and alot more news outlets have igored this latest developement. With Oil nearing to clouds in Price and the economy is being hamered by daily increases at the pump. Why would they want the Fed to increase interest rates on the consumer and increases at the pump---Concerned-CNBC are not consumer friendly but against the Citizens in USA. I've watched the price of oil increase the last 4 years - did you ever notice when ever Bush or Cheney gave a little news about Iran or such the price keeps increasing,never decreasing. Look into Hydogen as an alternative -its here and working --not 3-5 years down the road as would take to drill offshore California--- Capt. Oceanspat
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    Jun 29 10:08 AM
    Great general points Tyler. The last third of your story remains moot though.

    Slumping car sales are a back burner issue as penetration rates continue to increase and over any given period US car sales remain pretty constant with some years up and some down.
    Mostly with a general bias up.

    Also keep in mind that SDARS does not only go into american made vehicles. So I wouldn't over rate Ford and GM too heavily.

    In any event, it really means very little as does the retail story until the issue of the merger is determined. You just can't mine the data for what it would mean going forward after a merger - period.

    The i-pod story should not be overlooked. Sat rad on ANY portable device as part of a suscription becomes huge - especially for the Christmas season.

    And, as I've always said, you will see a SDARS music library with subscriptions that include a set # of downloads per month with your subscription. This will be a huge marketing draw that I have seen no one mention at this point.

    The NAB really does have a problem going forward as SDARS is destined to become ubiquitous. The recent i-pod story and the fact that it's making it into more and more cars everyday is driving the point home. The stocks got washed out with capitulation selling
    and people are starting to understand that as well.

    Upon the merger you'll start to see the forecasts ramp regarding all of the above. And the stock will climb as each and every brokerage firm will start recommending exposure to the industry for their clients.

    There really will be some fireworks this July fourth. Count on it!
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    Jun 29 10:33 AM
    I love my Sirius radio and have talked to so many people that have sat. radio. Most say that they hate driving the other car that doesn't. I really hope the political "bs" is put to rest and the merger gets done. I can not phatom letting this new industry go to hell. The money, effort, risk and hard work put into this new medium should not have to take a step backwards. That step backward is possibly at cliffs edge. Killing the merger would be an over reaction on the FCC's part. It would be like throwing the baby out with the bath water.
    I hope common sense prevails. If the merger passes that doesn't even get these 2 companies out of the woods. They would just be another player in the digital music & info market. The fact that the NAB is trying to stop this merger is the clear proof that they don't want what? Competition! They do not in any way shape or form have the consumers best interest in mind. The bottom line is if the merger should pass the consumer is still in control. If I don't like the content for the price I can cancel my subscription and listen to FREE radio.
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    Jun 29 10:39 AM
    oceanspat, You cant be serious. You have any idea how much it cost to buy a hydrogen car. The cost is still way more then you are going to spend even if gas gets to 10 dollars a gallon. Cities are doing it with buses had are losing more money, and that does not include the extra cost of the bus it self, but in maintenance cost and other. Hydrogen powered cars are as far off as wind and solar being used for providing electricity in a proficient manor to make it a real viable source of energy. Yes that is right Wind and especially solar are not even close to being efficient enough to being used. Until they can bring solar up from I think 36% right now, to at least 76% it is a waste.
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    Jun 29 10:58 AM
    Just for the record 163888 there are people, right now, powering their cars with a solar panel roof and golf cart batteries.

    These cars travel up to 65 miles an hour and have very little maintenance engine costs.

    If you get comcast internet go to the fan to see it in action.
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    Jun 29 11:25 AM
    Mr. Savery, self-appointed expert on satellite radio, misses the point completely once again. Tell me why the daily price fluctuations in the stocks of these risky, unprofitable companies (that institutions avoid, by the way) are truly relevant and material?

    Instead, you should focus on their growth prospects and profiitability (or lack thereof). These factors (and their absence) are what drive (or deplete) stock valuations.

    I would urge you, Mr. Savery, if you wish to continue portraying yourself as a satellite radio expert, to change your approach by letting the facts draw the conclusion, rather than the other way around. Rather than focus on the merger, focus instead on the impending arrival of portable Internet radio and other forms of competition that will continue to erode subscriber growth, which has already slowed remarkably over the past year.

    Tell us why cash-strapped car buyers (if you can even find one) would pony up $12 a month for a product they can get for free elsewhere?
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    Jun 29 12:17 PM
    ripped, I bet they dont pass the United States safety standards ether to be mass produced to be legally driven on the roads. Also what is the price on that car also I know the pure hydrogen cars they are talking about are running well over 100,000. The buses cost twice as much but they are also not pure hydrogen.

    There are also people that use solar power for their homes too, ask former Vice President Gore how that is working out. It was just released that that house now uses more power from the grid then it used to. The point is, it is fact that until solar gets to at least 76% it is not a viable source of energy. Just like wind, you would have to have wind turbines in 3 midwest states to be able to supply power to New York City alone. So like I said, it is not possible unless effieintcy improves a great deal which is still along way off. It has taken solar 20 years to get from 16% to 36% effinientcy.
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    Jun 29 12:29 PM
    It seems to have passed them as he is driving it as an inspected vehicle. Nothing more on top than carrying a thule roof rack.
    No law against having golf cart batteries in your car either.

    Fact is, it isn't that far off for the sunshine states. It's happening now!

    So I wouldn't be so dire.
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    Jun 29 12:35 PM
    163888, hydrogen cars wouldn't be so expensive if it was backed by our government. Our government would rather find more places to drill oil than spend the money needed for mass production of hydrogen powered vehicles. That's why there so expensive. It's politically correct for our own government to spend crazy amounts of money finding more oil when the oil companies are paying billions in taxes.
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    Jun 29 12:44 PM
    Could it be that jump in Sirius stock is due to the fact that an existing software lets IPods play Sirius programming?
    Tony Monaco
    monacotv@sympatico.ca
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    Jun 29 12:58 PM
    Perhaps, SIRI's move was helped by the fact that it appears that the iphone and for that matter, any cell phone can be programmed to receive SIRI's & XMSR's product, with a subscription. The potential, if true, is .........your guess.
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    Jun 29 01:16 PM
    This iPod "accidental" news for been able to play SIRI/XM on any existing phone or devise ???? HINT for something ???
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    Jun 29 01:22 PM
    ripped, What car company makes them..................... I thought so. Unless you are going to try and tell me that car companies are not going to try to corner the market, if it was cost feasible. Instead GM decides to spend millions on the Volt development, that will not be out until at least 2010.


    ripped, Do you want to know why the news tells people not to trust all those thing like pills and pieces of equipment that will give you an extra 20 to 30 miles to the gallon for just a few dollars cost. Because if it were possible car companies would already be doing it just to sell their cars.
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    Jun 29 01:32 PM
    verggreatness, here is some news for you. The government is not the solution to most things they are the hindrance. They have (democrats and a few liberial republicans) have stop us from drilling in our own country for the last 20 years. Ethenol is the best example as to how they screwed things up. I bet you were one that thought that was a good answer to. That gos once again to it not being effieint enough to be considered a replacement.
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    Jun 29 03:26 PM
    vicar...

    clearly some things simply get lost on you, or you simply choose not to see them. Whichever is the case, it matters little.

    1. I have stated time and time again that S.A. does not pick up all articles I write. I have offered my opinions on many things that revolve around this sector.

    2. I have spoken many times about services that are competition to satellite. I have stated quite readily that the Slacker Internet Radio service is something that satellite should consider trying to replicate for their music channels. In fact, I am a frequent Slacker user.

    3. I have stated time and time again that I am not portraying myself as "the satellite radio expert". I have stated that I am a person who follows things closely and has an opinion. In post after post it is YOU that is calling me a "satellite radio expert, guru, etc." I do not know how much more clearly I can state this. Perhaps CAPS WILL HELP. I AM NOT A SATELLITE RADIO EXPERT. I AM SOMEONE WHO FOLLOWS THE SECTOR AND HAS OPINIONS.

    4. SDARS has never made a profit. Most are already aware of this. To say that it is pure financials that drive the stock is a fools chase. People invest in SDARS because of potential. Right now the first item that deals with the potential is the merger. Most already know this.

    Media will see large changes in the coming years. No one denies this. Satellite is simply one method of delivering content. Do you think all of this content will arrive for free? No, it will not. There is a lot of potential, and if one were to assume that, with Karmazin at the helm, the merger is the last stop they would be kidding themselves.

    Why pay $13 per month when you can get something free you ask......

    A poor question to say the least.

    Why pay for a cell phone when you have a home phone. Why pay for cable tv? why pay for gas when you have a bike? Why pay for a restaurant steak when you can cook one at home? Why eat at del friscos when you can eat at wendy's?

    The answer is that people either like the convenience or the product. If the subscriptions or revenues fall, then SDARS must either make changes or fail. Adjusting to the landscape is something that all companies must do.
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    Jun 29 03:45 PM
    amen, tim. LOL - why pay for radio when i can get it for free? maybe its the lack of content on free radio. or maybe its the 15 minute commercial blocks. or maybe the only talk radio on free radio refuses to talk about anything but illegal immigration (at least in the los angeles area....i JUST COULDN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE). maybe its howard stern. i can't really pinpoint it.
    here's a question: why watch "grey's anatomy" when you can watch the sopranos? why watch "how i met your mother" when you can watch "curb your enthusiasm"?

    anyone who can't see how much BETTER sat radio is, is BLIND (or at least deaf.....)

    as far as earnings? they'll come. as soon as they can get through the red tape created by the NAB, xm and sirius can move on with the business of making money. (and believe me - they will). siri is a stock that you either daytrade (super liquid) or buy, put in a drawer and pull out 5 years from now.

    oh and vicar - remember: content is king. xm and sirius can afford the BEST, and i can't help to think that any internet radio company would be hard pressed to fund any content worth all that much. and as far as MUSIC goes, i think that they would be hard pressed to pay the royalties, either......

    use your head, vicky, baby.
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    Jun 29 03:45 PM
    my apologies - i meant TYLER, not tim.

    sorry.

    :(
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    Jun 29 06:30 PM
    Alright guys...D-Day may (don't count on it) may happen this week for these companies, so can someone please shed some light on what the combination of these 2 stocks will be once (if) this merger is approved.

    We've heard $1.75 by Wienkes, $5.00 by Kramer & a whopping $9.00 by Citi. Who's right, who's wrong and don't take the easy route by going with a middle number.

    Need your professional opinions on this gentleman....thanks!

    Jimy Da Saint
    letsgodeep.com
    passitdeep.com
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    Jun 29 07:43 PM
    Not a professional, just a retired guy with some common sense with alot of time on my hands to read. I am still sticking to the 3.8 that I said a while back (when it still was in the 2.3 to 2.6 range). Even though it went lower I believe that because it was lower then the 2 dollar mark for over 5 days. We got alot of the weak/short time money out of the way. I think we got a newer freasher group in. One that may not mind waiting a bet before they sell. Just IMO.
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    Jun 29 10:05 PM
    Hope you're right 16388....
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    Jun 29 10:07 PM
    concerning hydrogen cars : hydrogen is made by seperating hydrogen and oxygen out of water .....which requires electricity ....lots of it ......solar powered cars require batteries ....lots of 'em , and have you ever read the warning on your cellphone battery ???? " Dispose of properly " ????? Now take the millions of cellphone batteries that are dangerous to the environment and multiply by 1000 if you want battery powered cars !!!!!! OIL is not going away anytime soon , and gasoline or diesel is the best bang for the buck ........but we should definately get alternates up and running as best as we can ....every little bit helps ....just don't get confused about the nature of alternates , or the fact that only solar , and wind , "poofs" out of nowhere ( but requires a lot of battery storage ).....hydrogen requires a lot of energy to extract it ....and nuclear is great , except for that pesky , deadly , radioactive tonnage of waste left over , or the possible meltdown
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    Jun 29 10:13 PM
    here's a weird thought ....since the value of the dollar has fallen ...shouldn't that make stocks pricier ????? I mean if Siri is at 2.00 with a devalued dollar .....compared to a few years back at 5.00 with a strong dollar ........possibly that means the stock sucks even worse than we think !!!!! BUT , it also means the stock may go up even higher than we predict !!!!!!! Bet that post didn't help anyone !!!!!!! hahahahahah heck , I just confused myself !!!!!
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    Jun 29 10:15 PM
    correction - "compared to a few years back at 7.00" I mean
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    Jun 29 10:16 PM
    Your an idiot. Did the NAB send you on over??


    On Jun 29 10:13 PM shure46 wrote:

    > here's a weird thought ....since the value of the dollar has fallen
    > ...shouldn't that make stocks pricier ????? I mean if Siri is at
    > 2.00 with a devalued dollar .....compared to a few years back at
    > 5.00 with a strong dollar ........possibly that means the stock sucks
    > even worse than we think !!!!! BUT , it also means the stock may
    > go up even higher than we predict !!!!!!! Bet that post didn't
    > help anyone !!!!!!! hahahahahah heck , I just confused myself
    > !!!!!
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    Jun 29 10:54 PM
    I noticed that the stock popped on Friday too!
    Tim... I liked your picture when you were 23.
    Stick to technology, not stocks.
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    Jun 29 11:00 PM
    Jim-Bo,

    I'm going to say 3.20-3.60 tops within three weeks after announcement. Sadly, now that the FCC has jacked off for 8 overdue months (should have been done last fall) now you've got a market correction, tanking auto sales and 140-160 buck oil. FCC = useless schmucks.

    It may take 2-3 weeks to hit it's top, then will slide back to 3.00 +/- .30 for the balance of the year. This shouldn't be sold on announcement as what Mel has to say, and the upgrades to be gained will take a few weeks to pee out.

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    Jun 30 02:57 AM
    The skeptical will remain skeptical since they can not imagine future.I am sure that when the ideas for electricity, gas cars, Airoplanes and so on started there were many of those skeptical people as well.The situation today is critical in many ways, polution, oil prices, cosmopolitical issues concern oil countries like Iran, Russia and other Arabs countries.State will have to take a side onh the green vehicle subject, like India did and is going to happen sooner then you may expect.Today prices seems like high, but when it became mass production it will reduce price dramatically.Also the efficient and battery technology will burst as industry will see it is going comercial, whenever big money is involved thechnology seems to find new way, since development money and competition gets in.
    so hydrogen and hibryd plug in cars will be in not more then 5 years like any other cars with large edvantage, even if states decide to subsedide at the beginining by giving very low taxes it will continue from there.There are already several countries, like, Israel and India that has plans of subsedising green cars.so hang on and be paciense.
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    Jun 30 08:21 AM
    shure46.....The US Markets are dollar based, foreign currencies are dollar based, as is oil and commodities. Look at the rise in foreign currencies / dollar and foreign markets / dollar. Our markets don't adjust all that much to fluctuations in the dollar but theirs do. Our markets Global Companies profit from the weak dollar, greater exports. I was following you for a bit until your melt down....LOL.
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    Jun 30 08:26 AM
    Just to add, the current correction sinking all boats is being blamed on the weak dollar, fed not raising rates last week, and the fact that the rates may be raised across the pond this week. Look at oil / commodities this morning as a result.
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    Jun 30 08:45 AM

    Goldman's Sirius Call: Solid Thesis, Poor Timing
    by: Mike Stathis posted on: June 29, 2008 | about stocks: MSFT / SIRI / SNE / XMSR / YHOO

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    I just wanted to make something clear with all this talk about satellite radio. I'll be blunt. It's going nowhere. That is why I haven't followed Sirius (SIRI) or XM (XMSR) for several years. Why waste my time when I know how the game will turn out?

    Let me explain. After releasing a research analysis on the sector in my newsletter in 2004-2005, I have not bothered to follow the satellite radio stocks because I already knew their longer-term fate. It's the same action I have taken on other companies that I predicted would go bankrupt or be sold on the cheap. And I have been right about all of them. It's not that I have a crystal ball or that I'm amazingly clever; it's just a matter of using some common sense combined with an understanding of business dynamics and competitive forces. I will summarize the main points of the 2004-2005 analysis I made on Sirius and the future of satellite radio:

    Sirius will not make it. It will either go under or be sold on the auction block. Why? The industry has poor business dynamics as a standalone. It has high churn, short retention, and high customer acquisition costs. Only a diversified company can remain in this business. The wireless providers realized the need to secure a certain level of guaranteed revenues and they came up with contracts. The satellite radio business has not structured any value into their business that would allow them to drive revenues on a contractual basis. As a result, revenues are highly uncertain and will remain volatile, while net revenues per subscriber have little room for growth due to the high churn.

    The enormous debt seen in Sirius and XM is just one indication of the poor business fundamentals of this quasi-sector. Just look at the profit and operating margins. These guys won't be able to turn a profit until they surpass 20 million subscribers. And that simply is not going to happen for a very long time if ever. As it stands today, Sirius is in much deeper trouble than XM. The company self-destructed by giving away most of its equity to its CEO and Howard Stern, as if the stock had little value.

    It turns out that it didn't have much value. Even Stern apparently realized this and sold his stock.

    While XM is fundamentally stronger and will emerge the winner, this won't last long. The big guys in media will force XM out when Internet is installed in autos which is coming in a few years. Yahoo (YHOO), Microsoft (MSFT) and others will offer free Internet radio as a way to seize the market. Then they will offer a paid service similar to satellite. This will steal away the customer base of the satellite providers. In the meantime, earnings from their other business lines will enable them to endure difficult transitional periods. If needed, the big media players will create a price war which Sirius and XM will not survive.

    The only one's who will profit from Sirius are the CEO and Stern.

    Things are playing out just as I predicted. Soon you will see how even the XM-Sirius combined entity gets destroyed when Internet radio enters the scene. The only thing that has changed in the four years since my report is that Yahoo has weakened and may not go forward with an Internet radio platform, at least for a while. But you can bet others will. If you do not understand the media war that has been going on now for several years, you really need to get up to speed. The big players in this war are Microsoft, Sony (SNE), Yahoo, some of the telecom and cable providers. The XM-Sirius entity will ultimately have to go up against these guys and they aren't going to win.

    Now, will the combined XM-Sirius entity appreciate in price from here? I wouldn't doubt it. After all, many companies on a downward trend make short-term bounces. But that might only provide an exit for existing shareholders, as the odds of satellite radio surviving long-term are very slim. Internet radio is the future. And the only way satellite will play into the picture is through satellite-Internet radio, which will be a free service, with an optional paid service for no commercials. Once the paid service of XM-Sirius is knocked out, only then will the paid service model be a growing entity. And the only role XM-Sirius will play in this might be after being bought on the cheap by one of the big players.

    You can bet Sirius is desperate for this merger to go through because they realize they're on their last leg. It's similar to the situation with Blockbuster (BBI) practically bending over backwards to merge with Circuit City (CC). Unlike XM, Circuit City has something to offer-a real business with a long history of profits and no debt (only seasonal borrowing or inventories). You can probably tell how I feel about any possible Circuit City-Blockbuster deal. But that's another story.

    Only time will tell if I was completely right in my analysis. But one thing is for certain: those who read my report 4 years ago (quoted above) had a chance to bail out of XM and Sirius at $25 and $7 respectively.

    Sirius was never a stock held by a large percentage of institutions because they realized the risks. I continue to notice the same investors who buy terrible stocks like Sirius have a habit of buying trash like Krispy Kreme (KKD) and a host of others. People, if you really want to play this investment game, you need to start figuring out these things on your own. Otherwise, leave the investing game to the pros because the really sharp guys out there know what's going on and they sure aren't going to tell you. And you cannot count on Wall Street to help you. While the Goldman analyst is dead right, I find it remarkable it took him so many years to issue this report. I'm not sure whether he just isn't that bright or his focus was on landing banking business. Most likely, it was the former since I still have not read any report that provides the insight I have.

    Wall Street makes sure investors have a misguided sense of reality by issuing so many "Buy" ratings. Everywhere you look you see "experts" talk about how good it is to invest in the stock market but you never hear timely warnings when you should get out and wait for the next bull market. The refusal of Wall Street and those who control the media to even hint that there might be a period of a few years when you should stay out of the market is the reason why most investors get caught in bear markets.

    Going forward, if you want to have a chance as an investor you're really going to need to change this mentality. Otherwise, the "do-it-yourself&q... approach is going to result in a disaster for many. Remember, the promoters of this fantasy – the online brokers – are just as guilty of this deceit as Wall Street. And they are making profits selling you this epiphany. So you might be better off buying ETFs.

    Disclosure: None
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    Jun 30 10:00 AM
    ....LOSH197 ..........Idiot.
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    Jun 30 10:05 AM
    Ya , I think I get it ....when the dollar goes down , the value of the company goes down , and the stock price stays the same , but is simply worth less .......plain and simple , 7 dollars was worth more 5 years ago than it is today ......but a company was worth more 5 years ago too ( everything else being equal ) so a 7 dollar stock price would still be the same chunk of a company yesterday , or today .........I either got it , or I am having another meltdown !!!!!!! anyway , I just put in a buy for XMSR@8 , I figure if it goes through , I am really getting Siri @ 1.75 .......I probably should have waited for XMSR to get back in the 7's , but I figure 8 is cheap enough ........c'mon merger , I am tired of waiting


    On Jun 30 08:21 AM cos1000 wrote:

    > shure46.....The US Markets are dollar based, foreign currencies are
    > dollar based, as is oil and commodities. Look at the rise in foreign
    > currencies / dollar and foreign markets / dollar. Our markets don't
    > adjust all that much to fluctuations in the dollar but theirs do.
    > Our markets Global Companies profit from the weak dollar, greater
    > exports. I was following you for a bit until your melt down....LOL.
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    Jun 30 10:15 AM
    well there's one good thing , everyone that has satellite radio raves about it .....I don't think I have EVER heard a satellite subscriber say they didn't like it ....EVER
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    Jun 30 10:39 AM
    There was an article in the pumping SIRI and XM pumping the stock as the next Microsoft takeover since the Yahoo deal died. It would be a great play for MSFT to tie the SIRIXM into the Zune Player.
    Gates has to put his money somewhere.
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    Jun 30 10:49 AM
    As a disclaimer , I am not an economic guru , or a stock analyst ...I am simply an investor that happened upon this site .....I came here to learn , not to teach , but I have opinions , questions , and comments , some good , some not so good .......I realize on message boards everyone likes to tout their intellectual prowess as if they have a crystal ball , but frankly , just because a person can crunch a few numbers because they work for H&R Block , does not make them , any more or less an idiot , than I .....I have read PLENTY of financial articles from so called experts that fly all across the spectrum of opinion ....so , as far as I'm concerned , we're ALL idiots now and then ....even his holiness Jim C. ......... one "expert" says buy , and another says sell !!!!!! Ain't that scientific
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    Jun 30 08:08 PM
    Sorry if you took my comments as offensive. I wasn't trying to be. You say you come here asking questions, but when someone responds you take an attitude. If you think I was trying to give a lesson, I wasn't. I was trying to understand your point...again I apologize. Good luck with the struggle to figure these stocks out, sincerely.
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    Jun 30 09:29 PM
    cos 1000 , no problem with you .....merger mania called me an idiot ......my response to him is 6-30 10:11 am ........and no I don't have an attitude ......I was just giving merger mania a little tit for tat .......I know it's a little difficult sorting out the board , and my disclaimer post was just a general statement thrown out there , and none of this was directed at you .....I have found you and a couple of other people here to give me hope on this satrad stock , because after reading a few columns from "expert analysts" saying satrad is sunk , I was getting a little antsy !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I also apologize if I came across as giving you the business .....truly I did not come here for message board insults , I am really more interested in making some money
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    Jun 30 09:53 PM
    ............as we all are...... strengthen the battle line.... our time is at hand. Run Blue Dog Run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Jun 30 10:17 PM
    shure46......for the confusion, that you totally admit to be yours, you and your clan must follow the horses as we go into battle in support of the Blue Dog. The Bio Diesel bucket will be to right, pulled by the solar powered waste digester. Excuse me,....isn't this the alternative energy site??? Where's my wind powered GPS when I need it......All is good my friend, just found the medicinal wagon carrying hemp.
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    Jun 30 10:21 PM
    cos1000......... I may have found the fuel that supplies your indepth analisis. LOL
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    Jun 30 11:08 PM
    and to all a good night!
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    Jun 30 11:16 PM
    Hemp ?????? More like mescaline if ya ask me ..........as far as supporting the blue dog ????? that dog is carrying a crapload of my money , so you don't have to worry about where I stand !!!!!!! And I am actually getting excited ( NO , not that way ) that things are going to start getting better soon .....the next couple of years will be pretty good ........it's just a shame that all this hangs in the hands of a government agency right now ........scary thought


    On Jun 30 10:17 PM cos1000 wrote:

    > shure46......for the confusion, that you totally admit to be yours,
    > you and your clan must follow the horses as we go into battle in
    > support of the Blue Dog. The Bio Diesel bucket will be to right,
    > pulled by the solar powered waste digester. Excuse me,....isn't this
    > the alternative energy site??? Where's my wind powered GPS when I
    > need it......All is good my friend, just found the medicinal wagon
    > carrying hemp.
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    Jul 01 09:43 AM
    shure46........ I can't believe I looked at that twice....then submitted... it's back to second grade for a refresher for me. Hope the seats fit.
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    Jul 01 10:21 AM
    hey well looks like I'll be joining you in 2nd grade , I bought XM @ 7.90 yesterday , and it's @ 7.70 now !!!!!! the curse continues
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    Jul 01 02:59 PM
    I thought I was smart and bought some XM at 7.63, just 200 shares, and right after I did, it dropped to 7.44. I've got a massive gash from that falling knife. I just couldn't miss the 18% arb. spread. Well at least the GM news was better than expected.
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    Jul 01 08:19 PM
    well cos , I should have listened to you , you pegged it as dropping monday and tuesday .......of course you can thank me for making it drop when I bought more !!!!!! well , I can handle a little drop , but for cryin' out loud , enough is enough ......can a white man get a break nowdays ????? I am in margin land now , and gettin' antsy .......and frankly , I think everything would be hunky dory all around the table if oil would get down to 100-120 .....that crap is getting rediculous too , and our politicians are nothing more than deer in the headlights .......they are hectically doing NOTHING with all their might !!!!!! hahahahahhaha
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    Jul 01 11:48 PM
    shure46......well absent any news over the weekend, the stocks XM and Siri went up to far to fast on Friday. I think we're settling out pretty well here. Sirius is holding at 1.90, up or down a few cents, and XM held at 7.44 and settled at 7.50. They are both over done but without any merger news, and I mean from Commissioner Tate, who is the most likely hold out, not much will happen until after the 4th. I would expect a small pop up again on Thursday, with the shorts not wanting, to be exposed over the 3 day, and nervous longs on the sideline waiting for new, not wanting to miss a weekend announcement. I like XM even at 7.90 the arb. play gets you $ .84 or 10.5% on the merger before any pop with Sirius at $1.90. Hang in there and lets see what the next few days will bring.
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    Jul 02 11:20 AM
    yes , at least they are holding right now , and I know good merger news will do wonders ...I just need to get a few shares sold over 8 to get out of marginville .......I don't like to be too heavy there of course ......and this week will probably be non-eventful , because the FCC is busy planning their 4th of July party ....not much time left for any actual work ......

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