In a note issued Friday, Cowen analyst Tom Watts was very pointed in his disagreement with Goldman’s Wienkes.

“We disagree with competitor’s negative view,” noted Watts. He also stated that investors could, “Expect a rebound.”

Yesterday, Outperform-rated Sirius (SIRI) ($2.13) traded down 13% and XM (XMSR) 18% ($8.61). A competitor’s note (with which we disagree) contributed and technicals may have widened the arb spread. We expect FCC approval and the debt restructuring to drive a rebound of both stocks in the near term.

 

Watts cited several factors including: increased OEM installations (penetration rate) that would offset slowing car sales, substantial merger synergies of $5 billion, FCC approval in July, the debt issue being closed not as big a hurdle as some anticipate, and the arb spread to begin to narrow again as anticipated merger closure draws near.

While Watts did not take on specific aspects of the Goldman report, some obvious factors that I note are that Goldman states that “young people” are buying MP3’s. This is not real news. The “young people” have not been the largest contributor to SDARS subscriber-ship since the beginning. Additionally, the A-La-Carte pricing may make subscriber-ship something that is more budget friendly to the younger crowd. Combine MP3 capability with the “music discovery” allowed by satellite radio, and there could be a winning combination. The MP3 crowd is often music centered. A satellite radio service at $6.99 per month that enables fans to get only what they want may well carry more appeal.

Additionally, Goldman cited that ARPU would be impacted with the new pricing plans, and mentioned an OEM take rate of 50%. What it would appear Wienkes did not consider was that more attractive pricing points may increase subscriber-ship, thereby offsetting a lower ARPU (oversimplified example):

CURRENT TAKE RATE 50%

100,000 cars turn into 50,000 subscribers paying $12.95. 50,000*12.95 = 647,500 - ARPU of $12.95

TAKE RATE OF 50% Full Price, and 10% AT $6.99

100,000 cars turn into 50,000 @ $12.95 and 10,000 @ 6.99. 50,000*12.95 + 10,000*$6.99= $717,400 - ARPU of $11.96

While the ARPU is indeed almost $1 lower, the revenue coming in the door has increased. The ability to capture additional subscribers at the lower price point represents more dollars. ARPU is an average metric of revenue per subscriber. Simply stated, the business model will shift a bit more towards volume, something that it appears Goldman’s analyst has not fully considered.

With no company guidance and no real certainty, it becomes hard to know what analysis to count on. There simply is nothing for anyone to hang their hat on. Goldman is the “golden child” of the moment, but how long will that last? SDARS is quickly approaching a level where Wienkes will need to come out with yet another opinion. Will he “upgrade” from “convicted sell” to “sell”, or adjust his target further down? Only time will tell.

Position - Long Sirius , Long XM

Tyler Savery

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    Jun 22 06:39 AM
    Purchased 50k shares at the close at 1.99

    Down side from here should be limited,but you never know.
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    Jun 22 08:05 AM
    Good to see other agree. Bought 40k shares averaged in at 2.13. Your example is a good one above. I would further point out that there are millions of cars 'with' XM or Sirius radios 'installed' that might well reactivate if the merger goes through. If you can 'pick' your 50 stations you can target your local weather/traffic, sports teams, as well as your musical and news choices for a few bucks a month. Also, being able to 'stream' XM over a 3G phone you can have the best of both worlds on your IPhone also. My XM portable goes with me on business trips and have MP3 on it, and a recording feature so I can capture 'favorite' artists work. The Goldman piece was written by someone who does not use or understand the product. The delay in the merger has also pent up demand while people try to 'sort out' the options. The merger will go through, and Sirius will fly, both the product and the stock.
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    Jun 22 08:24 AM
    I've said it before and I'll say it again---mp3's and ipods will not affect satellite radio as much as people think. The thing about satellite programming is that the music content is fresh and dynamic, even within its specific genres (channels), and no commercials. In the old days, when we got tired of a cassette tape, we would change the tape or put on the radio. We grew tired even of the same songs on our "custom made" tape. With satellite, you have genres within genres. We can listen to different types of jazz within the jazz channels, different types of rock, different types of pop, rap, hip-hop, techno, classical, punk, 80's, 70's, etc, etc, etc. Add to that talk, sports, traffic, weather...WOW! For a set price. WOW! National coverage, whether I'm in the Black Hills of South Dakota or in Mojave, or in the Everglades or in the Big Apple. WOW! Here in Miami I get to listen to TWO lousy rock stations. One is on the classic rock side, where on any given day I can listen to the same Peter Frampton song, the same three Boston songs, the worst Def Leppard song ever, the same four Aerosmiths, two ACDC's, two Claptons, two Police, a Doors, a couple of Led Zeppelins...you get the picture. The same songs being crammed down my throat day-in and day-out. Along with the lousy commercials.

    The other station is geared more toward the 90's and later. There I get a steady diet of Nirvana, STP, Disturbed, Chili Peppers, Nirvana, Guns and Roses, Metallica (no complaint there), sprinkled in with some 80's stuff, Linkin Park, Kid Rock (gimme a break), and of course before I forget, Nirvana. And I get the commercials as a free bonus! Guess what? These days I drive in silence 50% of the time.

    And some idiots actually think SatRad will fail? SatRad will be a luxury that will turn into a necessity. Remember the cell phone folks? How many of you had one in 1990? Now people aren't even having home lines anymore. I know I don't. Terrestial radio will join the T-Rex and the 8 track in the annals of history once people get a taste of it.

    We need to look at the forest and not the trees here folks. Yes there are some chinks in the armor that need to be patched, but they WILL be patched. The forest is rich in nutrients and very arable, and soon the crops will be planted correctly.

    One thing, they need to stop giving away monster contracts when renegotiation time comes around because this time they will have more clout. Seriously, where is Stern gonna go if he doesn't retire? No one can pay him what SatRad can. And I'm sure this time around, he will be a little more lenient, concientious if you will, to the fact that Siri has suffered immensely due to astronomical spending and maybe he'll turn into a team player. After all, he already made his killing.

    On another note...why are some of you buying SIRI when you should be buying XM? You get more bang for your buck with XM right now due to the wide conversion spread.
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    Jun 22 09:55 AM
    SatRad will be a great option in case of natural disasters. XM SERVED AS A CRITICAL SOURCE OF INFORMATION BEFORE, DURING,
    AND AFTER HURRICANE KATRINA.One form of communications that continued to operate without interruption during the
    storm was satellite technology. Satellites are located thousands of miles above the Earth and are
    thus able to operate even when disasters occur on the ground. With that in mind, when Hurricanes Ivan and Jeanne hit Florida in September 2004,XM launched a new channel -- XM Emergency Alert, Channel 247.On this channel,
    listeners can receive key survival information such as evacuation routes, shelter locations, and
    updated weather emergency information for impacted areas.During Hurricane Katrina, XM also established an additional public safety channel, Red
    Cross Radio, XM Channel 248. This channel provided information pertinent to Red Cross
    workers in the Gulf Coast region, as well as Red Cross aid stations in Houston and other cities, as they assisted in the relief effort.
    Again, as with XM Channel 247, Red Cross Radio was available to anyone with an XM receiver without the need to pay a subscription fee.
    These words were copied and pasted here from a Letter to the FCC from John Archer
    Vice President, Operations
    XM Satellite Radio Inc.

    www.fcc.gov/pshs/docs/...


    Another reason for the prompt approval of the Merger.
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    Jun 22 10:58 AM
    Moving forward in time, it seems obvious that Tom Watts will win.

    See: http//Forecasts.com
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    Jun 22 11:01 AM
    always amazes me how much chatter there is on irrelevant stocks like this, guess its good for page views...people the charts are total crap, i dont give a flying f*** about anything else, charts dont lie, humans do
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    Jun 22 11:40 AM
    Always amazes me that people who 'say' they don't care take the time to post that fact here! May I say that all the 'charting' schemes had 'human' authors! Oh well, it is a free country.
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    Jun 22 11:48 AM
    The merger will go through & the stock will be valued at no more than $3.75 to $4.00 max!

    I'll be selling half my stake and waiting on pins and needles to see what BOLD moves Sirius is able to pull off this year!

    They better sell their souls to Apple or Zune to make things start happen! It would be nice to see Zune add a new element to their MP3 players to compete with Apple!

    Why not build the subscrpition costs of satellite radio into Zune and include this service for free?

    Just a thought!

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    Jun 22 11:54 AM
    Exaclty charts don't lie,RSI indicating stock being over sold.
    Merger coming soon a quick in and out.
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    Jun 22 12:59 PM
    Goldman’s Wienkes blind negative view was worse than recent mortgage fraud. I am really wondering no agency out there to control all these kind of intentional act?
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    Jun 22 01:20 PM
    I have been a sirius subscriber for 5 years and have loved every minute of it. I recently paid for a life time subscription, that is how strong I feel this will continue on. The merger is a great thing for both companies. The bureacrates in Washington and the lobbiest for terresterial radio need to focus there attention on their own business and not try to bash the competition.
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    Jun 22 02:35 PM
    I will first say that what amazes me, is how much this stock has so much chatter by so many people for and against. When else have this many people been so involved in a stock or the product. If there is one good thing that has come out of this delay, is that more people have been made aware of satellite radio whether that would have happen anyway is debatable. What is not, is that the amount of interest in this sector has grown tremendously.

    Now as for Mark W. And the example that Tyler has given I think what Mark is talking about, is that what will bring ARPU is that more of the 50% will go for the 6.99 package then the extra subscribers that would join at the 6.99. Or that more of the original 7.6 million subs would switch to the 6.99 and that would bring the ARPU down and the total revenue down. I personally dont think everything Mark W. is saying will happen and I suspect what Tyler is saying in a simple form is that the ARPU may come down but revenue will go up in general and that is a more reasonable conclusion. This was my thought from another article:
    Here is a thought, How many subscribers do you think hold both SIRI and XMSR right now, and are paying the 25.9 each month for both. I have to say, I think the percentage is very very low. Now how many subscribers do you think that have had all the content that they have been exposed to from ether SIRI or XMSR would go down to the 6.99 subscribtion that really only offers music channels. I think that percentage is very very low, as a matter of fact if they would go for that package then chances are there is a big percentage of those that would have (churned out) left anyway. Now how many people that pay 12.95 a month to get one would not mind paying 2 or 4 dollars more to get the SIRI/XMSR you have now plus the best 13 channels from the other. IMO, The al la cart will not only lower churn, but may actually bring up the ARPU. Give them a year and then you will have another price point that will offer, access to both full services, for some higher price.

    Here is an example I think we all can agree with: How much did you start paying for your cable/satellite tv when you first got it. Now how much are you paying. I would be willing to bet most have upgraded to the extra package and are now paying more then they did when they first started it.

    All I am saying is when you here analyst say the al la cart is going to bring ARPU way down think about what happen to your cable/satellite tv bill. Just a piece of common sense. I also believe Mel Karmazin has thought about it to.


    My point to that is that while there will be other options open, that they have been made so limited that most will find that they will be better off, staying with the 12.95 package if not moving to the more expensive package for the limited extra cost. Just as most have found in their cable/satellite tv options.
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    Jun 22 02:35 PM
    Amen to all opinions above. Its true analysts can drive a stock down or up but only the numbers at the end tell whether an analyst has true and accurate "opinions". Thats why there called opinions and not facts. This allows some so called special interest analysts to move stock up and down in favor of the special interest greasers without recourse. I am personally upgrading this stock to "Strong Buy". Am i not an analyst myself as i have a more reasonable "opinion". How many will listen? Maybe none but i will bet my opinion is closer to fact than Goldman's Weinkes. Buy now because "they" probably are.
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    Jun 22 03:04 PM
    I recently visited with a friend who loves his IPOD with all of the accessories for home, car, and "out and about" flexibilities. He was recently given a Sirius subscription for Fathers Day and had it installed in his car, set up for his home, and got a "boombox" also. He told me he never realized the convenience of setting up the channels for his liking and forgetting about it, regardless of where he travels. Recently he took a drive trip from North Carolina to Cape Cod, which he makes quite often. Usually the trip was a combination of IPOD, radio, books on tape, etc. He told me all he needed this trip was his Sat Radio. He is thoroughly sold on the technology, after installed, for its simplicity. He and his wife are over sixty in age and haven't used their IPOD since getting their SAT Radio. To this day the only nay sayers of this technology that I have found are those who haven't used it. With OEM simplifying the auto installation and new retail portables with MP3 and WIFI capability inevitable, I just can't see this company being anything but successful. I know my example is just one, but it is more the norm than the exception.

    Analysts at this point in time, as Tyler and others have reiterated, have no real guidance from the companies or metric to measure the possibilities post merge. At best, cost savings synergies, debt reconfiguration, capital expenditures and depreciation savings, are what they are looking at with revenue remaining a relatively fixed ratio to these expenses. Post merger upside surprised in revenue with new product releases, additional unanticipated subscribers, and the release of "pent up" retail demand will move the revenue side beyond analysts current projections. Mel and his team will also be reselling this company and providing concrete guidance, which I am sure he will make sure he beats every quarter for the next year or two. When all you can look at is managing expenses and attributing no real growth in revenue, the picture is grim, and is being presented in that light in current analyst projections. At these stock price levels for both companies you can't go wrong with the risk reward ratio given the pending merger approval.
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    Jun 22 03:13 PM
    163888....I totally agree that subscription revenue will be impacted by the more expensive upgrade than by subscribers downgrading their subscription. People tend to subscribe to more of what they like than less. Excellent point.
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    Jun 22 04:37 PM
    Compare these costs:

    three gallons of gas: $12.20
    a date at Wendy's: 14.50
    four movie rentals: $16.00
    a month of staillite radio: priceless

    The young people will come around.

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    Jun 22 04:40 PM
    cos1000, that is exactly what I am saying. Alot of people (Mark Wienkes) have forgotten that this is a luxury item. That most, that have it will not be effected by the down turn in the economy, and want what they want, even if it means paying a whole extra 2 or 4 dollars. Case in point XMSRs take rate has actually gone up and not down. Now many on the negitive side are saying to themselves how can this be, how can this be. I will explain it to you; most cars that come with satellite radio as standard are on the high end of cost for a car. Those people really dont give a rats ass about 12.95 or saving 6 dollars a month, when they are paying between 30,000 and 60,000 (few models are higher) for a car. It is really that simple. as for the al la cart that will allow it to be more affordable to the people with a lower income. A good example is what happen with cell phones. now look, who doesnt have a cell phone. My god 14 years ago, if someone were to say even 6 and 7 year olds are going to have cells, many would have laughed in their face and said your crazy, not now though, because you see it all the time. Am I saying satellite radio will be as popular as cell phones maybe they will, maybe they wont. The fact is they dont have to be, where there are 5 or 6 different companies that compete in cell phones, there will only be one in satellite radio sector, if the merger gos through. Now as for terrestrial radio, I look at that as cell is to land lines you may always have one but if it were a choice you would pick your cell, even though the bill is much bigger for your cell then for your land line.
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    Jun 22 05:26 PM
    I hope Goldman's comments are investigated.. But, at the same time the commentary substantiates the case for the merger and the financial fundamentals will speak for themselves in future quarters. I just hope that the commissioners put as much stock in Goldman's assessment as the street has.

    Tyler, nice work on the coverage. Is a MP3 / SDARS device a solution? Also, can internet operate off current satellite signals, or would they have to integrate WIFI into those devices? After the merger, what's next for Satellite Radio?
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    Jun 22 06:19 PM
    Please give me a brake,investigation my ass.Are you also going to investigate them other people who said this will go to $ 5.00 a share
    after the merger,and doesnt happen.
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    Jun 22 06:33 PM
    How many stations can someone listen too? In other words, who is going to take a full subscription at full price over ala carte when they are only listening to 2 or 3 stations in the spectrum. I think the average revenue stated here is way too optimistic.
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    Jun 22 06:40 PM
    This piece fails to consider the "cut" by OEM's which then take a SUBSTANTIAL % of the gross ARPU. Winky is a Dinky, but he's right about this if the number is not offset by the 14.95 combined package.
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    Jun 22 06:46 PM
    IF GS gets the SIXM refi deal the story will be understood.
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    Jun 22 08:04 PM
    Michael Lofrano.....as I stated above, I never met anyone who was a subscriber that didn't have an eye opening experience. Its not the number of stations. It's commercial free music, world news, CNBC, basketball and baseball, college and pro, NFL, Nascar, Talk Right, Left and everything in between, It's LIVE. Its Spanish, Korean, French. Its every genre of music out there. Try it you'll like it.

    Plowboy....this piece considered the "cut" by the example given. ARPU is a metric that is not the whole story. Increased revenue with decreasing expense is not ARPU. ARPU is not a GAAP metric. It is an operating metric for benchmarking the business. SAC is another example of an operating benchmark. As a number it will increase with 6.99 subs and decrease with 14.99 subs but gross revenues will still be going up. In the end the number that matters is EPS, EARNINGS, and they need to be positive. All the expense synergies of the merger are not part of the ARPU, go figure. By the way, when it comes to SAT RAD what is "SUBSTANTIAL"... % of the gross ARPU anyway.
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    Jun 22 08:54 PM
    Why isnt Mel Carmisan..or however you spell it...coming on to Cramer..or CNBC...to defend this stock ??? He is supposed to be a genius CEO...yet hasnt made an appearance to counter Goldmans bashing !!! Does anyone know the financial terms of the proposed merger ???
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    Jun 22 09:53 PM
    GABES....for every share of XM stock, Sirius will pay 4.6 shares of SIRI stock. It's a 100% stock transaction. Mel Karmazin can't defend the stock fully until the FCC removes the licensing road blocks. That's why the companies stopped giving guidance. All guidance would be as stand alone companies, as they are now. Any defense of post merger operations and profitability would be foolish at this time.
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    Jun 22 10:29 PM
    Great discussion guys. Thanks. Long Siri!!!!!!
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    Jun 23 12:50 AM
    Michael Lofrano, As I said the best stations will not be part of the 6.99 plus a .25 per channel package. If you look at the example SIRI/XMSR put out for the al la cart, you can not get Stern ( he will run alot more per channel) and many others for example unless you go to at least the 9.95 package ( I can't remember it might be the 12.95 package), they call those channels premium. As I said before, look at how people acted to cable and satellite tv. I can't watch that many stations ether but try seeing what the next lowest package is, you will find that you watch 6 channels and 4 or 5 of which are ones that you cant get unless you stay with the full package. Here is another example, if you look at what you get with the 6.99 package it starts with music, religion, weather, traffic, that is what you have to have to begin with the 50 channels, if you want baseball for instance then you will pay .25, well How many baseball stations are on XMSR now. You get those alone and before you know it you are already closing in on the original 12.95. My point is you are going to find that the channels you want, are going to put you at the 12.95 anyway. That is why they had to put the asurance that no one would pay more then the 12.95 they were paying to get what they were getting before.


    Plowboy, while I know I am no Mark W or Tyler S. look at the second paragraph of my June 22nd statement it gos into that. I know I ramble on. It is just common sence, and it will take you far in life.


    GABES, As to why Mel Karmazin has not spoken up about this is simple to me. It is first of all as cos100 has put it. second reason is It has been said by many in the press and analyst, of which I will give the best one; You dont want to make alot of noise as you are tring to sneak across the boarder (Motley Fool, Mark M.) Simply put you are not going to say to the world that you are going to crush Terrestrial radio once this merger is approved, that just will not help your case with the FCC. On top of that Mel karmazin has always been known to, under estimate on over achieve.
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    Jun 23 07:13 AM
    163888 -- I've got a question which may be stupid but I haven't seen anyone address this: What About The Used Car Market??

    If the radio's are already in the cars, no additional cost to Sat Radio. Right? And when Mel sees cancelations of car radios and the reason being given is the sale of the car and purchase of a new car. How much less will it cost to advertise to the 'new' owner a thirty day free trial when they call up and activate it with their credit card?

    Sixteen Three, it just strikes me that there is a lot more money in those cars than first appears. And, as the price of the car falls, it brings in another demographic of buyer.

    What are your thoughts in this area? Thank you.
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    Jun 23 07:45 AM
    172623, You must be new, I have called that one about a month before it was even mentioned for the first time in the next quarterly conference report (I believe it was 2 or 3 quarters ago), in a post on a Barrons article. I have to say it was amazing they said almost the same thing I had posted about month earlyer. Basically it is a subscriber for nothing (they already paid for, but never converted). I said that there was going to be millions of them coming up in the next year and become greater as they go forward. I am not talking about just the ones that have had the service and are switching cars. What I was talking about was something even better all the OEMs that never converted after the trial ended. My theory was that generally people switch out of a lease every 2 to 3 years or sell the car after 5 or 6 years all those cars will be going to somebody that ether has a subscribtion and will add it to the family plan. Or people that never had it and did not want to pay 100 to 400 dollars for a radio, but would not mind spending 12.95 a month to try it. Tyler Savery had a good idea not to long ago (I think I heard it on Sirius Buzz Radio), which was after the merger to turn on all the radios that have been deactivated and give everyone a free 3 month trial. Then it would cost them almost nothing to get the new subscribers, from ones that deactivated to the ones that now own the used cars and never had satellite radio.
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    Jun 23 08:15 AM
    172623, Just to be clear SIRI/XMSR will get them for free (subsidy was already paid to the OEM) but will still have to pay the revenue share to the OEM for each one. I know that seems unfair but that is the deal they worked out with the OEMs, The bright side is that used car dealers that a linked to the auto companies will push the subscription because of the revenue sharing. Where private dealers will not, because they get nothing for it.
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    Jun 23 08:17 AM
    I think apple could bennifit from making your ipod Sat. think of how conveient that would be both co. would benefit Siri stock would fly
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    Jun 23 08:52 AM
    172623...Welcome to the game of figuring out all the possibilities that will make this technology financially successful. As far a metrics for operations go, the concept that you and 163888 are refering to will dramatically bring down SAC, subscriber acquisition cost, and will affect ARPU on any given month up or down depending on the mix of subscriptions that are paid for, lower ARPU with discounted subs, increase ARPU with premium subs. Bottom line its a growing crop for Sirius to market to and increase revenue with little additional cost. This is when the business gets to be fun, and being a stockholder profitable. Every year this company has radios installed by OEMs, the initial take rate of 50% becomes less significant because with this new group of used car owners, they get a second chance to convert.
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    Jun 23 08:55 AM
    Ace22, The problem is who pays the subsidy for the chipset. Without knowing who is going to subscribe there could be alot of money wasted. Yes or no? What do you think. Unless they do something like they are with who is it, AT&T?
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    Jun 23 09:00 AM
    well said cos1000
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    Jun 23 10:15 AM
    Thank you 163888 and Cos. Yes, am fairly new and had not seen that post you reference. But your explanation makes me even more determended to hang in there. In fact, just picked up a 1000 more shares at 1.98. Am buying my way down and holding for the long term. Again thank you for responding.
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    Jun 23 10:37 AM
    I'm here.......... Just taking it all in. Good Content. Will try for some more nails to my coffin today at 1.95s. Run Blue Dog Run!!!
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    Jun 23 10:43 AM
    everyone who bought siri and xmsr getting destroyed..all kinds of 2 year tech support pierced..look at GM & FORD -collapsing...GM AT 1975 LOWS
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    Jun 23 11:06 AM
    Full Circle...always Full Circle......;)
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    Jun 23 11:28 AM
    Is Wienkes in the Pocket of "Terestrial Radio"? Why is it every time we get good news (about Siri / XM Merger) that we have to get hammered by some negitive propaganda?
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    Jun 23 11:52 AM
    Bought at 1.94....... Have to look through my portfolio to see what I can sacrifice, for more Siri bargains before the end of month. Got a mouthful of nails, where's my hammer??? Hmmm.....
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    Jun 23 12:24 PM
    KILLERRK - DO YOU REALIZE THE LOW ON SIRI WAS 1.97 FRIDAY...GIVE IT 3 DAYS..I DONT BELIVE THE BULLISHNESS ON THIS BOARD WHEN 2 YR SUPPORT BROKEN ON THESE SATELLITE DOGS...I WISH TO GOD I WAS WRONG BECAUSE IM GETTING HURT TOO
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    Jun 23 12:27 PM
    TYLER YOURE PUTTING PEOPLE IN THE DAMNED STREET WITH YOUR 'ANALYSIS' -OUTWARD BULLISH STANCE...SINCE YOU JUMPED IN ON SIRI AND XM, THEY ARE DOWN 40%...HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THIS?
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    Jun 23 12:28 PM
    TYLER SINCE YOURE 'LONG' SIRIUS, XMSR,...FOR DISCLOSURE PURPOSES, TO TO THE BENEFIT OF THIS BOARD...HOW MANY SHARES DO YOU OWN?>>?????
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    Jun 23 12:49 PM
    tyler is awesome. dont even go there
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    Jun 23 12:54 PM
    202507, You cant blame killerkaul he knows a bargin when he sees one. Most of us here dont sweat the small shit. We are here for the long term. If you like to be bothered by the small swings then you should go to some of the message boards they play that game. I have seen alot of comments over there a few pennies ether way you get oh it is going way up, or oh its going way down. I have tried to bring reason over there, I have found out it is impossible. I think Goldman Sacs is given to much credit for not getting nailed in the sub prime mess. Besides How can you be getting killed unless you sold for less then you bought. If that is the case then that is your fault. You dont make or lose money on a stock until you sell it. Unless you are playing in the margin then that is still your fault, because you should not be playing in the margin period, but much less on a speculative stock.


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    Jun 23 01:23 PM
    40% PLUS DOWN FROM WHERE IT WAS RECOMMENDED..YOUR POINT IS UTTERLY INVALID
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    Jun 23 01:32 PM
    RE: 20257, or whatever............ You wouldn't know a quality stock if it bit you. Go buy some countrywide. You'r all over these sites, however, you choose to read and assess nothing. It's obvious to me that you are a far left liberal wacko....... all emotion...did I say all emotion?, no common sense, and absolutely no regard for the facts about this stock, it's CEO, or this merger. You have info. spoonfed to you from Tyler, Cos1000, and 163888, and you choose to ignore all of it, you just close your mind, ears, and eyes, and stubbornly stick to the same tired mantra. I'm sorry your'e such a loser. W. Churchill, stated that "at 21 you should be idealistic enough to be a liberal, and at 30 you should have matured... and become inteligent enough to become a conservative. I suspect you are older than 30. It's time.............
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    Jun 23 01:34 PM
    Also.... Quit whining, it's starting to get on everyone's nerves.
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    Jun 23 02:26 PM
    ement is Relax everyone ....... Stock movement, for the most part, is based on the sentiment of the street, when you have the manipulation of the players involved { Lobbyists, NAB, Congress, FCC, Analysts, Shorts, etc.} over this long time period. The Street hates fear and indecisiveness. I'm really surprised that this stock isn't at $.60 by now. If you feel that sat radio is here to stay...... then back up the truck.... And don't forget your ace in the hole....If Jim Cramer has blessed the stock, Mel K. and the merger......then I say, along with everyone else that matters...... We have a winner!
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    Jun 23 02:33 PM
    202507, I cant understand how you made it this far in life without having a heart attack. You know there are 2 other things that piss me off. They are people that say I made alot in this stock. I then ask really what did you sell it at, he says I have not sold it yet. I then reply then you have not made shit, get back to me after you sell it. The same thing gos for the people on the losing side. Calm down and keep your head on. If you believe in the satellite radio sector then this down turn is nothing. If the merger is not approved and it gos to 1.25 then that is not bad ether, if you believe in the sector. Now if you dont, get out now, you should have never been in it, in the first place.

    Killerkaul, I never get tried of hearing that Chuchill quote. As you know I say it a little differently.
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    Jun 23 02:34 PM
    I think not enough has been made of the "music discovery" aspect of satellite radio. I've been an XM subscriber for going on 4 years and I've discovered countless "new" (new to me, anyway) artists that I might never have otherwise heard about. As a result, I've purchased music (MP3 and CD) that I might not have without hearing it first on satellite. In many cases (Melody Gardot is a classic example of this), terrestrial radio only begins playing an artist after they have developed a following elsewhere, including on satellite radio.
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    Jun 23 02:35 PM
    Well said killer kaul and 163888. thank you tyler for all of the info. it is ashame that dufuses like 202507 speak when they should listen. i guess thats freedom of speech. as i read up above.. run blue dog run.
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    Jun 23 02:35 PM
    God Killerkaul nice comment, what do you think of mine. Can you believe I did not see yours before I wrote mine.
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    Jun 23 02:41 PM
    davefromberkeley, You are going to have to cancel your satellite radio subscription according to Mark Wienkes. You cant have both.
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    Jun 23 02:41 PM
    dave, that was a LOL comment.
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    Jun 23 02:42 PM
    There once was a company named Sirius
    Who's stock price cause quite a fuss,
    By the comments of a clown
    the price went down,
    which made it more affordable for the rest of us.


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    Jun 23 02:46 PM
    163888.... As usual, yours was spot on! As for your saying things differently....... how can a mere mortal, such as myself, hope to quote with a poet...... such as yourself.
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    Jun 23 02:51 PM
    Goldman sacks stole!!! bear sterns, now they want to steel sirius
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    Jun 23 02:51 PM
    Cramer's view on Satellite
    is that it will come out alright,
    so, don't rush to sell
    just wait for a spell,
    and the price is sure to change in a fortnight.
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    Jun 23 02:51 PM
    you two ought to get a room....lol
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    Jun 23 02:52 PM
    davefrom......... good point.
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    Jun 23 02:53 PM
    Karaokejb,that was good I like that.

    Killerkaul, I just like the more insulting way. " If you are not a liberal by 20 you dont have a heart. If you are not a conservative by 30 you dont have a brain.
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    Jun 23 02:54 PM
    Hey Ship300... check the sales receipts... I think it was JP Morgan chase that bought Bear Sterns.
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    Jun 23 02:55 PM
    202507....

    1. I "jumped into" to Sirius and XM at levels well below the price of today. How do you come up with me being down 40%? Where do you see me recommending a buy or a sell? I do not do that. You may have me confused with someone else.

    2. I do not disclose how many shares I own. I do not ask you the balance of your checking account. I have stated that the shares I own will not change my lifestyle even if Sirius went above $10 and XM above $30. I have disclosed that I sold most of my holding prior to writing about the sector.

    3. I am bullish on SDARS as a concept long term. How the equity will perform is yet to be seen. I have stated that I am rather neutral during the merger process, and stated several times that these equities are locked into a channel until a merger decision is made. I have spoken of a limited upside even with approval, and that the street will need to see concrete guidance as well as results prior to any large movement in the stock.
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    Jun 23 02:58 PM
    Killerkaul, by the way Dave replied finally to my post on Barrons. He never comes back with a response to my post he just comes up with something new.
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    Jun 23 03:04 PM
    Yep that is about the the jest of it. I have never heard you say anything different. But you did say or write you got most of your shares of SIRI for under a dollar. Cant remember about XMSR though I think it was 3.
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    Jun 23 03:08 PM
    Tyler...You do not have to explain yourself. Thanks again for all you do!
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    Jun 23 03:18 PM
    Can someone please explain in full detail (please know what you're talking about) how these companies can rebound in the near term? I've heard that Sirius has planned to do a 4 to 1 reverse stock split and would like to know if this is something that will help these stocks rebound if the merger goes through?

    Thanks!
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    Jun 23 03:21 PM
    Hey, Tyler were do you get off I bought Ford at 7 It is now down to 5. God dam it I am lossing my ass, and it is all your fault, I bought high and sold low. LOL I am sorry I had to say it. It was just to good, I am to much of a sracastic ass to let it pass by.
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    Jun 23 03:28 PM
    jimmydasaint, I will give it a try. First if they get it above 5 then the big institutional funds can invest. A split alone does not mean they will, there also has to be a catalysis of change for the better, to come with it, improving metrics.
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    Jun 23 03:38 PM
    163888......... Yours are the correct words of the quote by the way.
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    Jun 23 03:41 PM
    The FCC filing states that Sirius/XM must lease 4% of there channels to a "qualified entity." Does this mean they are leasing part of their frequency spectrum or 4% of the channels coming from their satellites? Basically, does the "qualified entity" have to have their own satellites or not? Who determines how much Sirius/XM can charge for the lease? How will the "qualified entity" get revenue, will Sirius/XM be required to give them 4%, or do customers pay the "qualified entity" directly? Just curious if anyone knows.
    Thanks
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    Jun 23 03:49 PM
    163888.... Your guy at Baron's isn't done yet...he never will be, he's still picking his nose... facts mean nothing to him. He makes me tired. LOL.
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    Jun 23 03:50 PM
    JimmyWK, it will be 4 % of channels if the compression improves then they would get 4% of that in crease. They are using SIRI/XMSR satellites. They will pay nothing for the lease, but you will have to pay a subscription fee to SIRI/XMSR to get those channels. The entity will have to get their revenue from advertising.
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    Jun 23 03:59 PM
    tyler you were buying and recommending sirius at the high $2, low $3 level!!!!...xm ibid since they are arbitraged..SO HOW CAN YOU SAY YOU DID NOT RECOMMEND THEM HIGHER???? MUCH, MUCH HIGHER!I CANT GO BACK AND POST YOUR ARTICLES ON THIS BOARD WITH CORRELATING DATES TO PROVE MY POINT
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    Jun 23 04:02 PM
    I MEAN I CANNNNNNNNNNN GO BACK AND REPOST YOUR ARTICLES...SO YOURE TELLING MEEEEE YOU BOUGHT SIRIUS UNDER $2?????????????!!!! HE WAS LAST THERE 5+ YEARS AGO...YOU KNOW WHAT DUDE, IM NOT HERE TO TRASH YOU BUT YOUVE BEEN BULLISH FOR SO LONG AND ALL YOUR READERS ARE DOWN - ALOT...IF YOURE NOT QUALIFIED ON THESE STOCKS, YOU SHOULDNT BE WRITING..AND WHOEVER IS REDRESSING ME FOR TELLING IT LIKE IT IS,...TOO BAD
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    Jun 23 04:09 PM
    TYLER I DONT CARE WHERE YOU BOUGHT THESE STOCKS YESTERYEAR..WHAT MATTERS HERE IS WHERE YOU WERE RECOMMENDING THESE STOCKS TO YOUR READERS FOR WELL OVER A YEAR..AND YOUVE BEEN UTTERLY, UTTERLY WRONG..SO PLEASE DONT ADD INSULT TO INJURY AND WHEN YOU SAY YOURE NOT DOWN '40%', WHEN YOU WELL KNOW YOUR READERS ARE
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    Jun 23 04:10 PM
    hey 202507 why dont you go shut up and go away
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    Jun 23 04:21 PM
    Hey Tyler, if you bought sirius well below the curent price ,you should have sold it at least at 2.50 and reposition your self ..Bad move DUDE...
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    Jun 23 04:32 PM
    I really hate it when people get after Tyler. I wish people would realize what Tyler's articles are: An analysis (usually an analysis of an analysis actually), which is open to comment and discussion. NOTHING ELSE!

    I also really hate it when people try to blame others for their losses in the stock market. NO ONE MADE YOU BUY THE STOCK! You may have chosen to rely on what turned out to be a poor prediction... but it was YOUR CHOICE!

    User 202507 - I am interested to hear your analysis of the SIRI/XMSR stock. Where do you think they will go from here? Believe me I am just as frustrated as you are with my SIRI position. Are you going to wait it out?

    And then maybe Tyler or Killer or 163888 will respond with agreements, disagreements, points and counter points, and then the discussion will continue. Maybe we will be better for it, maybe not... but a discussion is better then a message board shouting match.

    I for one am confident that the stock is undervalued, has great potential vs. very small downside, and a great high-risk/high-reward addition to any portfolio.

    I did stop watching the SIRI during the day... Down to $1.92 now?!?!?! Predictions anyone as to the bottom of this slide??????
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    Jun 23 04:33 PM
    HOW DID TYLER BUY BELOW TODAYS MARKET PRICE????????!! THE ONLY WAY POSSIBLE IS TO HAVE BOUGHT 5 YEARS AGO, LOOK AT THE CHART! HE STARTED WRITING ABOUT THE SATELLITE GUYS OVER A YER + AGO, SO COMMON SENSE TELLS YOU HE PITCHED THEM AT MUCH HIGHER PRICES....THE IRONY IS, THAT, UNTIL NOW, I REALLY BELIEVED IN HIM..UNTIL THAT IS, I STARTED LOSING SO MUCH MONEY...CONCEDE TYLER THAT YOUVE DONE A DISSERVICE TO THE MAJORITY OF YOUR READERS WHO HAVE PILED IN AT YOUR ADVICE AND ARE CONSEQUENTLY DOWN..2 YEAR CHANNEL BROKEN DECISIVELY TO THE DOWNSIDE..THIS GODDAMN MARKET
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    Jun 23 04:40 PM
    THE SAD THING IS THAT I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN, CONTRARY TO WHAT THE 'PUNDITS HAVE WRITTEN ON THE TOPIC, TO STAY AWAY FROM THE SATELLITE STOCKS..THEY ARENT EXPECTED TO BE PROFITABLE FOR 3 YEARS WHICH MAKES THEM AT BEST DEAD MONEY..WHEN ONE BUYS AGGRESSIVELY THINKING THEIR IS LIMITIED DOWNSIDE ONLY TO LOSE 40 +%., IT IS VERY UPSETTING..SOMETIMES GOD500, YOU HAVE TO BE AN ANALYST FOR YOURSELF..AND TYLER, IF CITI REALLY HAD AN CREDENCE WHEN THEY PUT OUT THAT $9 TARGET, THE SIRI STOCK WOULDNT HAVE BUSTED ITS 52 WEEK LOW..IT WAS IN A YEAR LONG DOWN-TRENDING CHANNEL..WALL STREET KNOWS THIS BUT THE 'RESEARCH REPORTS' PUT OUT BY THE LIKES OF CITI ASSUME WE ARE ALL STUPID/..THEIR, COWN, ECT REPORTS HAVE NO MERIT BECUASE IF THEY WERE THAT COCK-SURE, THEY WOULD BE BUYING HAND OVER FIST..AND TYLER, SINCE IF THESE STOCKS WERE TO RUN TO $10 AND $30 RESPECTIVELY, BY SAYING IT WOULD HAVE NO IMPACT ON YOUR LIFE SHOWS WHAT A SHAMELESS TYPE YOU ARE BECUASE OTHERS ON THIS BOARD ARE DEPENDENT ON THESE STOCKS GOING UP BECAUSE PERHAPS THEY TAKE THEIR INVESTMENT MONIES A LOT MORE SERIOUS THAN YOU BECAUSE YOU SOUND LIKE YOU ARE DOING OH-SO WELL FINANCIALLY REGARDLESS
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    Jun 23 04:55 PM
    HELP! I have been following this stock for two years waiting for this merger. I have really enjoyed reading everyones different views on this stock/company/sector but we have not made any progress in any sector in two years! The government is holding sat radio hostage! When will it end! I only bought stock after I was exposed to the greatness that is sat readio. I thought if there was ever a time for a sure thing it was when the two companies announced a merger, boy was I wrong. I have paid dearly as we all have during this temporary decline. Is it temporary? What is the deal with the FCC items on circulation, there are 99 items, some of which are a year old. Does this mean these old items are still being circulated? How long does the approval process take after an item is circulated? If there is no time frame, the industry that we love as consumers is in jeapordy! If there is no time requirement for a decision, I can easily see 3 months and by that time I believe this industry may have suffered irreversable damage. My click is ticking I have to sell in three months, please give me some positive feedback on a 90 day outlook. All i want is a small profit at this point so I can buy the brand new equipment. I sure as hell don't want to loose my $%^!
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    Jun 23 05:23 PM
    TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS.........IF THE SIRIUS STOCK WAS UP TO $6.00 A SHARE YOU GUYS OUT THEIR WOULD BE KISSING TYLER'S ASS SO IT'S NOT ...........THATS BECAUSE NAB KNOWS THAT THE MERGER WILL MOST LIKELY GO THRU AND THERE ARE LOTS OF SOUR GRAPES OUT THERE SO THEY DO THE NEXT BEST THING THEY CAN DO? THEY BUY OUT LOW LIFE FROM GOLDMAN "SLACKS" AND TRASH THE STOCK TO HURT THE SHAREHOLDERS. CANT YOU SEE THEY WANT TO PISS US OFF AND THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB BUT WE SHOULD KNOW THE STOCK WILL BUMP UP SOON. THIS IS THE TIME TO BUY!!!
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    Jun 23 05:43 PM
    202507,
    Are you affiliated with the NAB????
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    Jun 23 05:45 PM
    Wow what happened here....202507...I feel your pain but lighten up, man!!! (In honor of George Collin). Speculative stocks are probably the worst companies to use technical analysis with. I understand that it broke two year lows, but that is historical information that is fairly useless to projecting the po